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Post by Redneck on Dec 7, 2003 14:49:41 GMT -5
"The Bush Economy"
For over two years now, we've been hearing the Democrats blast "the Bush economy". Still sore about losing the election - and about the US Supreme Court's refusal to let the Florida Supreme Court determine an election in which the competent voters had spoken - they began their efforts to undermine, sabotage and "deligitimize" the Bush presidency.
The primary strategy was to label the recession that was already taking place before the election of GWB as "the Bush economy". Ever lazy and unimaginative, they pulled another page from the same old playbook -you know, "the worst economy in 50 years" kind of lies that worked against President Bush 41. The Donks were daily lamenting about what a mess Dubya had made of the economy, a pretty amazing feat given that at that point he hadn't really had a chance to influence the economy either way.
Immediately following 9-11, they rightly determined that an infuriated American public bent on avenging the attacks would not stand for the usual partisan criticism of President Bush while he served as Commander in Chief in the War on Terrorism, they continued their "Bush economy" strategy, biding their time and watching opinion polls.
What they represented as "the Bush economy" should be more correctly defined as "the Clinton recession". Here are the facts:
* On March 10, 2000 the NASDAQ topped at a record 5048.62. By the end of the Clinton administration, on December 29, 2000, the NASDAQ had settled to 2470.52. That's nearly a 50% decline in the NASDAQ that occurred on Clinton's watch.
* The Dow Jones Industrial Average was soaring at 11,722.98 on January 14, 2000. By December 29, 2000 the same average had closed at 10, 786.85. Again, an 8% decline under Clinton.
How about the charge that joblessness is out of control under Bush, while Clinton kept us all employed? The New York Times reported that, "...the percentage of adults with jobs fell to the lowest level in ten years." Again, here are the facts:
* The Bureau of Labor Statistics' historical data report # LNS14000000 shows unemployment for 1993, under Clinton, ranging from a high of 7.3% to a low of 6.5%.
* The "Bush" unemployment rate for September 2003 is 6.1%.
The same Times' article goes on to report, "Democrats responded that the current jobs slump was the longest since the 1930's."
* Fact: From 1975 until 1987, unemployment remained almost continuously above 6% and reached into the 10% levels.
Again, from the NYT, "At 6.1 percent last month, the jobless rate was below the high of 6.4 percent it hit in June but well above the 30-year low of 3.9 percent in late 2000."
* Fact: It was also well below the 30 year high of 10.8% we saw under Nobel laureate and Democrat Jimmy Carter's.
And, since the Times article was written, the unemployment rate dropped from 6.1 percent to 6.0 percent in October. 6% is what Milton Friedman calls the "natural rate of unemployment".
Adding to the Dems laments, the Department of Commerce released the Third Quarter economic statistics and the results are not promising for the Democrats.
* The economy grew at a breakneck rate of 7.2 percent in the third quarter, the best performance since 1984.
* Economists believe the economy slowed to a rate of around 4 percent in the quarter, a healthy pace nonetheless.
* Business inventories rose by 0.3 percent in September, a turnaround from the 0.4 percent drop reported in August. September marked the first rise since March, when businesses also increased their supplies at warehouses and backlots by 0.3 percent. Economists had been predicting flat inventories for September.
* Sales rose by a solid 0.6 percent, the biggest gain since July.
* Unfilled orders for non-defense capital equipment are 6 percent higher than they were when the year started.
* Construction spending is at its highest level in history.
* Profits are beating expectations by a wide margin, and free cash flow is increasing.
* Consumers ratcheted up their spending at a brisk 6.6 percent annual rate. That was the biggest increase since the first quarter of 1988.
* The service sector is growing.
* Manufacturing activity is rising. New orders are at their highest level since mid-1994.
* Spending by businesses on equipment and software rose 15.4 percent in the third quarter - the largest increase since the first quarter of 2000.
* Investment on residential projects grew at a 20.4 percent rate, the biggest increase since the second quarter of 1996.
Now, still want to rattle on about "the Bush economy"? The latest "yeah, but" mantra for the Left has to do with the sustainability of this economic growth and their concern that the surge is not creating jobs.
Well, try again, Donk.
* Larry Lindsey, former White House economist, says that "a year from now, profitability will be closing in on 12 cents per dollar of output, close to its 1997 peak of 12.6 cents."
* The economy added 270,000 non-farm jobs in the past two months.
What happened? Very low short-term interest rates, along with President Bush's third tax cut, helped give the economy a big summer-time boost.
Source- http://the_right_track.tripod.com/
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 7, 2003 17:21:07 GMT -5
 WoW! Redneck!!You have certainly done some homework there. Finally some truth hits the boards. I was reading the NYT yesterday and came across this article and thought it was so *blatant* as to be un-believable! Just goes to show everyone, it's all about getting votes, NOT believing in God, morals or ethics. If they actually ran and won they would once again forget about their Faith and return to the "If it feels good do it" philosophy. I truly hope everyone sees through them. Quote: From the New York Times 12/6/03 QUOTE: "We went for years in the Democratic Party without recognizing God, and we pay a price for that," said Al From, chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, a centrist Democratic group. Highlighting the urgency of the issue for Democrats, a random survey of 1,997 registered voters released this fall by the Pew Research Center found that 63 percent of voters who attended religious services more than once a week said they planned to vote for Mr. Bush next year. That compared with 37 percent who said they preferred a Democratic candidate. The margin is narrower among the larger group of voters who attend church once a week, with 56 percent planning to vote for Mr. Bush and 44 percent planning to vote for a Democrat. For months now, several of the nine Democratic contenders for the presidency have been wrestling with how to capture a significant sliver of that vote without alienating secular party loyalists. Most of the Democrats typically shy from overt references to the Bible, God or prayer — unless they are visiting churches — in favor of emphasizing values and the importance of family. They delicately pepper their speeches with such wording. (Mr. Gephardt, for instance, rarely fails to mention that he has been married for 37 years.) Republican strategists scoff at such efforts, saying Democrats will never make inroads among religious voters if they support abortion and oppose organized school prayer. "They may be taking a first step in talking in a different way," said Jim d**e , a spokesman for the Republican National Committee. "But until they can come around to adopt the policies that fit mainstream America, their rhetoric will only go so far." Even candidates who advocate the approach are uncertain as to whether the efforts will translate into significant numbers of votes. But some Democrats argue that even tentative steps in this direction might make a difference in a tight election. END QUOTE: That seems to me to sum up the democratic party's agenda. Work both sides of the aisle, or *talk out of both sides of their mouths* or as we native Americans would say *speaks with forked tongue!" Seriously though, thanks for all that information. definately helps me solidify my choice.
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Post by me on Dec 7, 2003 19:40:02 GMT -5
A person would expect the stock market to go up when they cut the taxes on dividends because it becomes more attractive as an investment. The same would be true with cutting the taxes that the corporations are paying.
The debt is what is shocking everyone with any sense. Their is a huge crisis on the dollar that does make it more attractive to sell overseas and raise the cost of imports.
Personal bankrupcies are at all time high levels and the length that people are out of work is also at all time levels. Unemployment fell to 5.9%, but that number leaves out people that are so discouraged as not to be looking for a job. The jobs being created do not have the wages or benefits of those that were lost, which besides wiping out the middle class, drives down taxes.
It takes about 150,000 jobs a month just to keep up with the increase in population. You should have figured out by now that the media is concerned about herding your thoughts and informing you is irrelevant.
One million people will lose their company contributions to health insurance come January 1. Now that might help the stock market, but it sure does not help the working man or the cause of the working man.
How are jobs in Gaffney? Spartanburg sure feels the pain.
Yep, Bu$h is all about Wealthfare and the average American is nothing more than a battery to run the machine and throw away when sick or old.
You guys probably even think Bu4h is a conservative just because your infotainment tells you so.
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Post by Icebull on Dec 9, 2003 0:46:25 GMT -5
Hello "Me"
First off, I don't consider myself to be a Republican or a Democrat, as I think the defintion of those two parties was lost in 1963.
Regarding the economy, you are right on the mark. Bush is giving the U.S. public a real line--(to say it nicely and keep this board clean). I'm a middle aged exec, and my job was recently eliminated due to "restructuring". Later this morning, about another 10 more execs at the same company will be out on the street right before Christmas.
Fortunately, I saw it coming and we were financially prepared for it. Even being unemployed, we invited two famillies (10 people total) who recently immigrated to the U.S. for their first Thanksgiving dinner in this great country.
Redneck must be happy with all of those $5.15 per hour service jobs Bush has created. S.C. unemployment max's out at $7.13 per hour. Redneck, I don't want to get you riled up or get into an e-mail conflict with you, but maybe you should take a few minutes and go down to the Job Services office for a reality check. Bush is bankrupting the middle class of this country. It's no longer the young, old, lazy or minorities that are in the unemployment lines.
Have you tried to find a piece of American made clothing at Wal Mart lately??--they are the biggest retailer in the world. I wonder how much cloth from South Carolina mills their vendors use?? Pretty hard to compete with people who barely earn enough to eat, let alone have a decent roof over their heads. The current Adminstration very closely resembles many governments in Latin America duriing the 1970's and early 80's. The rich are getting richer at the expense of the middle class, and the poor are getting desperate.
I don't want to sound elistist, but there aren't enough hours in the day for me to fry burgers to equal the economic contribution (and income and sales taxes paid) I was making to this country before I finally became a victim, or perhaps better said, a result of Bush's economic plan.
After all, Bush really isn't our President. Jeb may sure that happened. (I lived in Dade County many years ago--do some research about Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez's past and how he managed to remain in power. It's a fascinating insight into how South Florida Republican Politicians "fix" things) Special interests and money rule this country. Heck, when Rush Limbaugh goes to re-hab, you know this country is in a slide!!
By the way, when the Dow hits 10,000 this morning, moving into a cash position may not be a bad idea!!
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Post by JavaMom38 on Dec 9, 2003 5:48:18 GMT -5
Excuse me, Me and IceBull...but do you remember who signed the NAFTA agreement?  It certainly wasn't George W. Bush! T |
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 9, 2003 8:18:38 GMT -5
;D another "Democrat in denial* heard from.
icebull, I do not deny that the economy really sucks, especially around the SC area but....................it was on the way down hill When our present president took office. If you were an exec. I am sure you are familiar with the term *cook the books?*
I will not post link upon link to republican papers, writers, party liners, which would simply bolster MY view point. I will simply say that from all I have read, heard etc. (which is all any of us can go on since we are not privy to the inner workings of the elite in Washington) which includes the Dem. party line, the Rep. party line and the independent sources and from my own observations I can only go with *Faith* on President Bush and his policies. We may not see the whole piece of cloth from our vantage point and all *I*, me personally, can see, the man is working like a bandit to bring a morality back to this country that has not been seen for many years, To bring dignity back to the greatest office in our nation, While I agree there are somethings I do not agree with and the Pres. That signed the NAFTA agreement is the one that should hold a *special* place in the annuls of history and their own little corner of Hell. The reason for my remark in the opening of this missive is the *remarks about Jeb making sure that our Pres. was *given* the Presidency. I will tell you like I have said before "GET OVER IT" weather you want to admit it or not George W. Bush WON the election (Thank God! I cannot for the life of me imagine Gore being in charge of our country. LOL, I can see it now, Bill and Hillary standing behind the oval office chair with their hands up his back side moving his lips) and it is a done deal. People with this much hatered must have the smallest, shriveled up souls in the world, thats what carrying that much venom around inside you does to a person.
I am truly sorry that you lost your job and, that you have become so bitter, that you think you are above the rest of the crowd and too good for menial labor. Then maybe you can join the rest of us poor and unwashed and stand in the soup kitchen lines or at the Salvation Army or your local thrift shop to do your Christmas dinner and gift giving. I will not toot my own *giving* horn but, these places help me give Christmas to three families on a meager social security check and, I feel blessed as do they.
So all I can say to you is "Count your blessings" you saw it coming and were prepared others were not so lucky (blessed) Give up the hatred in your heart for our President and try to believe that maybe, just maybe, the man knows what he is doing and, is really untangling the snarled ball of twine that our previous administrations have put us in. I mean you have no other choice now do you?
And, you are going to have FOUR (4) more years of the same.
Have a good day
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 9, 2003 8:21:02 GMT -5
Excuse me, Me and IceBull...but do you remember who signed the NAFTA agreement? It certainly wasn't George W. Bush! T I KNOW! I KNOW! (surfrgirl338 says, raising hand and bouncing up and down in her seat) ;D QUOTE: NAFTA, the agreement designed to create free trade among the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, was ratified by Congress in 1993; President Clinton signed it in a lavish ceremony at the Commerce Department. END QUOTE: |
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Post by Icebull on Dec 9, 2003 13:36:36 GMT -5
I have no hatred or ill feelings toward President Bush. After all, his results can only be as good or bad as the talent he has working for him.
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 10, 2003 8:55:16 GMT -5
That is great Icebull and, of course you are right again when you say QUOTE:his results can only be as good or bad as the talent he has working for him. END QUOTE: And it also depends on *we the people* who will stand up and get behind him. As for the talent working for him my Christmas wish would be that he would FIRE Mr. Rumsfeld! (Even though I do NOT like the man I will not denigrate him as others do with their *pet* names. I dislike it intensely when people do that) This man has made some poor judgements IMHO. Other than that one I can't speak with any certainty about the others. As for Wal-Mart? They have carried foreign made merchandise for 20 years or more but, agreed that it is even worse now. But that is the publics fault, If*I* pick it up and it says made in Taiwan, china, Thailand I put it back on the shelf. I always made the argument that *we* are to blame also for the loss of jobs in our country. We are all always looking for the *good deal* *the Lowest prices* If that happens to come from any of these places (because of cheap, slave wages) who cares "I got my deal!" That is why I say it is also up to us to help the Pres. by refusing to go along with the *bottom line* people. We ALL know what the bottom line is.........money! Sometimes one has to break a lot of eggs to make a big omelet and that is what I am praying that our present President is doing. Breaking a LOT of eggs and I will have my fork ready for the tasty omelet that hopefully will be coming. Sheesh!! now I,ve made myself hungry and have to go get some breakfast.. But, Have a good day and I hope your job search is Fruitful. (another food reference) I have to go now  |
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Post by RushFan on Dec 10, 2003 18:36:05 GMT -5
For the Bush bashers....in 34 months Bush has...
Banned Partial Birth Abortion
Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy
Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty
Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court
Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules that would have shut down every home business in America.
Killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses
Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first ten ABM silos in Alaska so that America has a defense against North Korean nukes
Pushed through THREE raises for our military.
Increased Defense Dept funding which had deteriorated during the previous 8 years
Stopped foreign aid that would be used to fund abortions.
Supported and upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals
Signed E.O. reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act
Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the thingy
pit
Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers
Ordered Attorney-General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, NOT a leftist-imagined *collective* right
Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e. the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty)
Successfully executed 2 wars: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom
Executed a WAR ON TERROR by getting world-wide cooperation to track funds/terrorists (has cut off much of the terrorist's funding and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network)
Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed
Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia
Initiated comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE was critical.
Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the Presidency
Reorganized bureaucracy...after 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency: the Department of Homeland Security.
Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
Improving govt. efficiency with .8 million jobs put up for bid...weakening unions and cutting undeserved pay raises. Wants merit based promotions/raises only.
Orchestrated Republican control of the White House, the House AND the Senate.
Killed the liberal ABA's role in vetting federal judges for Congress.
GWB signed an executive order enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision (re: union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes)
Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession.
Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
Signed 2 income tax cuts ---- 1 of which was the largest Dollar value tax cut in world history
Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains
In process of eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people
Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations)
Reorganized the INS in an attempt to safeguard the borders and ports of America and to eliminate bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
Signed trade promotion authority
Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men and women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa
Passed Medicare Reform (authorized $39.5 Billion per year for preventive medicine such as drugs and doctor visits as well as included a ten year Privatization option)
Urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits
Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.....
Need more proof we have a great President?
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Post by Ivebull on Dec 10, 2003 23:10:28 GMT -5
It's all on how you manipulate the numbers and statements--just like any business. (Enron, for example). This message is intended to be for all political inclinations. "Unemployment Stats Re-examined: During the Reagan years, unemployment figures were adjusted downward by reclassifying military personnel from "not in the workforce" to "employed". For the past decade, the government has reclassified people who are collecting Social Security disability as "not in the workforce" from "unemployed". About 200,000 people applied for Social Security disability in October, up 20 percent from the previous month, and at the highest level ever. Such political maneuverings cloud the true state of the economy and the unemployment picture. It allows the politicians to claim that the recession was mild, with unemployment topping out at about 6 percent, compared with 7 percent in 1992 and 9 percent in 1982. The result is an invisible unemployment situation, and an unclear picture of the economy." Source: www.airsdirectory.com/newsThe key is the fact that Congress should pen laws which are understandable and written to adress the real issues facing our country at any given point in history while complying with the Constitution. The complexities of the bills, and the ridiculous special interest riders that are attached to them, in order to reach pathetic compromises, and no wonder our economy is in such a quandry. Except for the lawyers and special interest groups in Washington, does the common voter have a clear idea of what agenda this country is trying to accomplish? (I will NOT comment on 3 subjects 1) Pork Barrel bills; 2) farm subsidies, which in the last 2 decades don't seem to have helped family farmers much, but rather have resulted in benefitting corporate agricultural giants; 3)issues such as comments regarding Taiwan and Mainland China made just 2 years apart. I'm concerned these are items which would probably clog up this chat board.) |
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Post by Icebull on Dec 11, 2003 0:03:39 GMT -5
Hello Surfgirl338,
I appreciate that we can have a friendly conversation, even if we have differences in opinion. I was fortunate enough to have a promising job interview today with another South Carolina company (Low Country) which would allow me to contribute more to the state in the form of taxes and creation of well paid U.S. factory manufacturing jobs, than my previously eliminated job.
I was not trying to pick on Wal-mart. When I go to Hamricks in Gaffney, I also check the "made in labels". The point I was trying to make is that the nation-wide average Wal-Mart hourly wage is $7.50 per hour, but the S.C. employment insurance max's out at $7.13 per hour. So the margin between a working wage and unemployment is pretty thin in S.C. right now.
Since you were mentioning food, the 2 families who recently became Legal Residents who we had over for Thanksgiving were appreciative, excited, but perplexed that an unemployed American family would invite them for their first National Holiday Dinner in the U.S.A.
People out there do care, even when things are tight, it's just that frustration levels have risen.
Now for a good word for Wal-Mart---When the invite list increased from 1 to 2 invited families, thank goodness I was able to get a second turkey at W-M for $.38/lb--AND it was actually grown and processed in the U.S. (It just happened from Arkansas ;D ;D) The first bird I had gotten at Ingles was from North Carolina.....
Things may be looking up afterall.
Regards
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 11, 2003 0:29:13 GMT -5
For the Bush bashers....in 34 months Bush has... Banned Partial Birth Abortion Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules that would have shut down every home business in America. Killed the U.S. - CCCP ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first ten ABM silos in Alaska so that America has a defense against North Korean nukes Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased Defense Dept funding which had deteriorated during the previous 8 years Stopped foreign aid that would be used to fund abortions. Supported and upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals Signed E.O. reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the thingy pit Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers Ordered Attorney-General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, NOT a leftist-imagined *collective* right Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e. the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty) Successfully executed 2 wars: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom Executed a WAR ON TERROR by getting world-wide cooperation to track funds/terrorists (has cut off much of the terrorist's funding and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network) Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia Initiated comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE was critical. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the Presidency Reorganized bureaucracy...after 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency: the Department of Homeland Security. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts. Improving govt. efficiency with .8 million jobs put up for bid...weakening unions and cutting undeserved pay raises. Wants merit based promotions/raises only. Orchestrated Republican control of the White House, the House AND the Senate. Killed the liberal ABA's role in vetting federal judges for Congress. GWB signed an executive order enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision (re: union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes) Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals. Signed 2 income tax cuts ---- 1 of which was the largest Dollar value tax cut in world history Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains In process of eliminating IRS marriage penalty. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations) Reorganized the INS in an attempt to safeguard the borders and ports of America and to eliminate bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability. Signed trade promotion authority Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men and women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa Passed Medicare Reform (authorized $39.5 Billion per year for preventive medicine such as drugs and doctor visits as well as included a ten year Privatization option) Urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims..... Need more proof we have a great President? No, I think he has done an excellent job to date, considering what he had to start with. I thank you for all that information, between yourself and redneck you have been totally educating me on Pres. Bush. Of course I have been trying to follow events as I can also and, Yes, I think he is doing a great job. Now, my question is what do you two think of the man who seems to be the front runner for the Dems? Dean? I am really undecided about this man he seems to be a little too much *straddling the fence* to me, another case of *he who speaks with forked tongue* Then there is this latest endorsement by Al Gore. I really have never liked that man. From the first time I saw him what? Eight years ago, I kept thinking that he would slowly run down and stop like a robot, that if one peeled back his *flesh toned* covering there would be wires and gears and if he pricked his finger a thin clear, yellow, oily fluid would leak out. I really don't think that this is (at least in my mind) a plus for Dean. I am going to have to do some research on Dean and see what he stands for or, falls for. |
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Post by surfrgirl338 on Dec 11, 2003 0:36:12 GMT -5
Hello Surfgirl338, I appreciate that we can have a friendly conversation, even if we have differences in opinion. I was fortunate enough to have a promising job interview today with another South Carolina company (Low Country) which would allow me to contribute more to the state in the form of taxes and creation of well paid U.S. factory manufacturing jobs, than my previously eliminated job. I was not trying to pick on Wal-mart. When I go to Hamricks in Gaffney, I also check the "made in labels". The point I was trying to make is that the nation-wide average Wal-Mart hourly wage is $7.50 per hour, but the S.C. employment insurance max's out at $7.13 per hour. So the margin between a working wage and unemployment is pretty thin in S.C. right now. Since you were mentioning food, the 2 families who recently became Legal Residents who we had over for Thanksgiving were appreciative, excited, but perplexed that an unemployed American family would invite them for their first National Holiday Dinner in the U.S.A. People out there do care, even when things are tight, it's just that frustration levels have risen. Now for a good word for Wal-Mart---When the invite list increased from 1 to 2 invited families, thank goodness I was able to get a second turkey at W-M for $.38/lb--AND it was actually grown and processed in the U.S. (It just happened from Arkansas ;D ;D) The first bird I had gotten at Ingles was from North Carolina..... Things may be looking up afterall. Regards "If he brings you to it, he will bring you through it!" I am truly happy for you that you have another job (and an even better one) lined up, it sounds like you have had a new window opened for you when your door slammed. Merry Christmas and a Bright New year to you and your family IceBull |
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Post by JavaMom38 on Dec 11, 2003 17:26:40 GMT -5
Surfgirl wrote: "Then there is this latest endorsement by Al Gore. I really have never liked that man. From the first time I saw him what? Eight years ago, I kept thinking that he would slowly run down and stop like a robot, that if one peeled back his *flesh toned* covering there would be wires and gears and if he pricked his finger a thin clear, yellow, oily fluid would leak out."
;D ROFL!!!! My sentiments exactly!!!!! Haven't laughed so much over a post until now! Funny! ;D
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WoW! Redneck!!You have certainly done some homework there. Finally some truth hits the boards.
It certainly wasn't George W. Bush! T